Orbs, Tomes, and Unarmed Combat

Discussion in 'Dungeons of Dredmor General' started by Xaxio, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Xaxio

    Xaxio Member

    Orbs are shields.
    Tomes are shields.

    Shields can be used with unarmed combat without losing the unarmed combat bonuses.

    Just figured that these things needed to be stated somewhere, 'cause I had a hard time finding them on the forums.
  2. magicbison

    magicbison Member

    I knew these two types of items could be used with unarmed to maintain the bonuses but are they really considered shields?
  3. Kazeto

    Kazeto Member

    Generally speaking, anything that doesn't have its own weapon proficiency skill is not a weapon, and thus doesn't stop bonuses from Unarmed from working.

    They are shields, with changed item class name (via an override).
  4. Nicholas

    Nicholas Technology Director Staff Member

    The code checks to see if you have a weapon in either hand; if so, you are uneligible for claiming your Unarmed Combat bonuses. Tomes and orbs are internally considered to be shields; therefore they're not actually weapons per se.

    (Remember: it doesn't matter what you hold in your hand; all your unarmed damage in Dredmor is actually done with your feet.)
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  5. magicbison

    magicbison Member

    So shield bearer procs and buffs work with tomes equipped?
  6. Kazeto

    Kazeto Member

    Shield Bearer procs and buffs (as of now) work regardless of whether you equipped a shield or two halberds.
  7. Daynab

    Daynab Community Moderator Staff Member

    ^^^^For now. I believe this is being changed for exp3.
  8. magicbison

    magicbison Member

    Ah...so I've been wasting my defensive potential thinking I had to use an actual shield labeled shield...
  9. Fayd

    Fayd Member

    Nicholas, idea for a future expansion: Two skills that focus on Orbs and Tomes.
  10. banjo2E

    banjo2E Member

    I'll endorse this if and only if there is at most one joke about testicles in the entire skill tree.
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  11. Fayd

    Fayd Member

    Well, actually, if the Staves (and sometimes Wand Lore) tree is all about the phallic imagery, the Orb tree could cater to jokes about the fairer sex.
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  12. Shaxarok

    Shaxarok Member

    Absolutely. Reminds me of a yonic mage that Harry Dresden met once upon a time. used collars and bangles and such as focuses instead of staves and rods.
  13. Arron Syaoran

    Arron Syaoran Member

    I will never pick Staves or Wand Lore Again. If I happen upon a Wand/Staff, Kudos for my Mage, but I'm not taking the 2 skills.
    Unfortunately I have to deal with wand lore for another 500 Wand Repairs till I get the stupid Achievement since I'm a completionist.